Excellent observation. They invent a boogeyman in this case "anti-vaxxer" or on Australia day, fake "neo-Nazis", to create a demon that you will be afraid to be associated with.
Then they use the shame of association with the demon to keep you silent
They also love to elide reasonable opposition with tinfoil-hattery. This is a tried and tested method in corporate media especially, to show how thorough they are that they got 3 perspectives.
Eg: Dr Norman Swann says gene-vaccines are good. But Dr Philip Altman and Alex Jones of Infowars say they are bad.
That way you've equated Dr Altman with Alex Jones, and both rubbished the position as well as the good doctor.
Then you can just talk about what Alex Jones exaggerated without the reasoned data from Dr Altman.
(No disrespect to Alex Jones who is a highly entertaining commentator)
I suppose the "far right, far right, far right, far right" was a tool to gather up the left into the Big Pharma fold, using pre-existing identity beliefs, although the left would've been naturally more susceptible to calls for collective community behaviours. I wonder if the Nazis are a tool to split off the establishment right from typical right causes.
totally. excellent observation. yes i think that is spot on. Also the "far right" mantra is to frighten the undecided middle Australia into feeling psychological discomfort in ever saying they might think you have a good point in questioning the gene-vaccine. This discomfort is the censorship. That same discomfort is clear whenever someone says "I'm not an antivaxxer" or "i've had every vaccine prior to this" before they dare criticise the gene-vaccines. They are warding off expected accusation. They fear the accusation. That is how we are trained not to criticise government policy.
Thank you for bringing me the word 'discomfort'. Few in the general public would even know what 'far right' means - wouldn't matter if the media described the resisters instead as eaters of "purple ice-cream, purple ice-cream, purple ice-cream". It would create the same discomfort. It's repetitive demonisation, it shouldn't be allowed for any group, but they're operating with a social licence founded on the work of decades that purple ice-cream eaters are a danger to society.
I remember in '07 in Portland, OR - after witnessing local news (sic) segments on the "self-organizing" Anarchy Marches television programming weeks prior - I was curious enough to go see what it was all about. I left the disgusting charade sick to my stomach - after I realised the black clothed black-flag-waving masked 'anarachists' were wearing the same police issued boots as the PPB. The horror of it all.
You inspired me to put it up here. After reading your reply I've had the recent thought that we can't get through to the multiply-vaxd because they've been immunised to receive, in some manner, or to reject our message. We have to change up our communication variant :)
I'm a science-type of person who understands the uncertainty of knowledge. I struggle with my words to give people the best literal version of the truth, as I've gathered. I had no idea that people would be arranging words to deceive, or, in the above case, so that people were unable to receive knowledge. I didn't have the language for any of this sort, until someone said "rhetorical strategies".
This makes me happy, Madeleine, although happy about a most unhappy subject. Still, I couldn't stop thinking about your original comments comparing vaccination science to the psychological warfare imposed on humanity. The idea of using an "adjuvant" to overlay bad thoughts onto any possible good thoughts, or I believe as you said, to attach the bad to the good or to divert the good, strikes me as evil genius. I keep coming back to the comparison being uncanny. Is it possible that this happened without any of the evil-does recognizing that the mechanism is the same? Whatever the answer, I hope you'll continue to flesh out this idea, if you feel the call. I haven't seen anyone else mention anything remotely similar. I was just thinking yesterday morning that you would be a good one for a podcaster to interview. I especially like Hearts of Oak, just fyi - @HeartsofOakUK on X
Oh just in interest - Kate Mason has just done a story on the fake neo-Nazis too, with extra interesting background on how they are using this to censor any opponents to the corporate-state combine agenda, even permaculture https://kate739.substack.com/p/misinformation-disinformation-far
Very interesting.. I recall that meeting in Melbourne and that a rising conservative Victorian MP got caught in the flack... the media are excellent at selling lies .. they sold cigarettes for years knowing full well they caused cancer... it took years of action to stop them, today they sell sugar, gambling, sex and violence every day for profit.... i refuse to watch them and gladly let my kids play video games to avoid watching TV .. the lesser of two evils....but both are highly sceptical of media and in the past few years I have tried to get them it identity propergander ... constant repetition and slurs etc..
I am so thankful for alternative media.. the only problem is there are so many issue that war against what is good and decent... “progressive” simply means immoral...
But I watch even my conservative father carried along by endless propaganda media lies that he’s not aware of...
Yes, the MP was Moira Deeming and her position was very reasonable. I was stunned that the Conservatives in Victoria are (almost) as captured as the Left Wing. I suspect the techno-totalitarians have found a lot of dirt in the personal data.
The TV watchers see the world very differently to me - diametric - amazing.
My children are adults now but still young and I tell them that this is their battle of their future.
I agree with you. You made me think of labels with that post also. So many labels these days. Some we are being forced to accept as they are made up. I went on a website that is state run. It made me choose a preferred pronoun. I immediately contacted my congressman and let them know. I don't want to play that game. Most social sites give you the option, but a State site making it mandatory. I told them how rights are being stripped from me by this. I am a conservative in my beliefs. I don't view myself as right, far right or any other direction. I am left handed though. My values are still conservative with that left sided dominance of my body. We weren't confused about our gender when I was in school. The newest label that someone spent some time working on is Abrosexual. People need to find a hobby or a job instead of making up these labels.
I agree with you. A recent automated telephone survey asked, after the question about age group, "what gender do you identify as? Male, Female or Other". Over and over I told the machine that I didn't 'identify' as any gender - I 'am' a gender. It eventually hung up. A few months later I got a similar survey, asking "What gender are you? Male, Female or Other". I thought I could answer that one.
Terrible to see it happening in govt. So glad you took the action to contact them. I've seen a few things lately where I'm nearly going to be excluded from govt sites because I can't 'agree' with its many terms. Getting very totalitarian.
I'm Left Wing raised - daughter of teachers, generally collectivist in response - but Woke isn't the left wing I recognise. I would now be called 'conservative' though I don't feel I've changed at all.
I was taught to think for myself and sometimes that got me in trouble. It isn't a bad quality though. I've always been a critical thinker. I might have changed from hard life lessons, but always stayed true to myself and my values. I quit worrying about what people thought many years ago about me. Words are just words, actions make a person. On a side note, my mother did tell me that I was supposed to be a girl and she was surprised when I was born a boy. That never confused me or made me wonder or anything. God is in control of all that anyways. Why all this abuse of children now is such a terrible thing.
:) My father told me of a nightmare he had, where the family was boarding a train about to depart, and I refused to get on it. With the train being a symbol of large groups of people/society all on the same undeviating track, it was a fairly accurate/prophetic dream. We'll see how that works out in the end.
We gotta get Medieval - someone recently said to me "One death is a tragedy - a Million is just a statistic." Lit my fire because of how true it was. .. God bless you.
Excellent observation. They invent a boogeyman in this case "anti-vaxxer" or on Australia day, fake "neo-Nazis", to create a demon that you will be afraid to be associated with.
Then they use the shame of association with the demon to keep you silent
They also love to elide reasonable opposition with tinfoil-hattery. This is a tried and tested method in corporate media especially, to show how thorough they are that they got 3 perspectives.
Eg: Dr Norman Swann says gene-vaccines are good. But Dr Philip Altman and Alex Jones of Infowars say they are bad.
That way you've equated Dr Altman with Alex Jones, and both rubbished the position as well as the good doctor.
Then you can just talk about what Alex Jones exaggerated without the reasoned data from Dr Altman.
(No disrespect to Alex Jones who is a highly entertaining commentator)
I suppose the "far right, far right, far right, far right" was a tool to gather up the left into the Big Pharma fold, using pre-existing identity beliefs, although the left would've been naturally more susceptible to calls for collective community behaviours. I wonder if the Nazis are a tool to split off the establishment right from typical right causes.
totally. excellent observation. yes i think that is spot on. Also the "far right" mantra is to frighten the undecided middle Australia into feeling psychological discomfort in ever saying they might think you have a good point in questioning the gene-vaccine. This discomfort is the censorship. That same discomfort is clear whenever someone says "I'm not an antivaxxer" or "i've had every vaccine prior to this" before they dare criticise the gene-vaccines. They are warding off expected accusation. They fear the accusation. That is how we are trained not to criticise government policy.
Thank you for bringing me the word 'discomfort'. Few in the general public would even know what 'far right' means - wouldn't matter if the media described the resisters instead as eaters of "purple ice-cream, purple ice-cream, purple ice-cream". It would create the same discomfort. It's repetitive demonisation, it shouldn't be allowed for any group, but they're operating with a social licence founded on the work of decades that purple ice-cream eaters are a danger to society.
I remember in '07 in Portland, OR - after witnessing local news (sic) segments on the "self-organizing" Anarchy Marches television programming weeks prior - I was curious enough to go see what it was all about. I left the disgusting charade sick to my stomach - after I realised the black clothed black-flag-waving masked 'anarachists' were wearing the same police issued boots as the PPB. The horror of it all.
Google images "nazis Ballarat". Masked, all in black, walking in formation. Ballarat is a town in Victoria. December 2023.
One headlined "‘Only crooks wear balaclavas’: Police call for neo-Nazi march ban". Crooks, and operators who need to disguise their identity.
yes they are all fake.
Jesus/Truth is coming soon... when the protectors become the deceivers we know we're getting closer to a historical moment.
You’ve helped me to define and to name what I see, Madeleine. Thank you. A lot to think on here.
You inspired me to put it up here. After reading your reply I've had the recent thought that we can't get through to the multiply-vaxd because they've been immunised to receive, in some manner, or to reject our message. We have to change up our communication variant :)
I'm a science-type of person who understands the uncertainty of knowledge. I struggle with my words to give people the best literal version of the truth, as I've gathered. I had no idea that people would be arranging words to deceive, or, in the above case, so that people were unable to receive knowledge. I didn't have the language for any of this sort, until someone said "rhetorical strategies".
P.S. Peter Mcilvenna's interviews on Heart's of Oak that he posts on X are quite insightful.
This makes me happy, Madeleine, although happy about a most unhappy subject. Still, I couldn't stop thinking about your original comments comparing vaccination science to the psychological warfare imposed on humanity. The idea of using an "adjuvant" to overlay bad thoughts onto any possible good thoughts, or I believe as you said, to attach the bad to the good or to divert the good, strikes me as evil genius. I keep coming back to the comparison being uncanny. Is it possible that this happened without any of the evil-does recognizing that the mechanism is the same? Whatever the answer, I hope you'll continue to flesh out this idea, if you feel the call. I haven't seen anyone else mention anything remotely similar. I was just thinking yesterday morning that you would be a good one for a podcaster to interview. I especially like Hearts of Oak, just fyi - @HeartsofOakUK on X
Oh just in interest - Kate Mason has just done a story on the fake neo-Nazis too, with extra interesting background on how they are using this to censor any opponents to the corporate-state combine agenda, even permaculture https://kate739.substack.com/p/misinformation-disinformation-far
Thanks. Whooph! I subscribed, and almost immediately got a new horror in the inbox on fsanz and fake meat.
Very interesting.. I recall that meeting in Melbourne and that a rising conservative Victorian MP got caught in the flack... the media are excellent at selling lies .. they sold cigarettes for years knowing full well they caused cancer... it took years of action to stop them, today they sell sugar, gambling, sex and violence every day for profit.... i refuse to watch them and gladly let my kids play video games to avoid watching TV .. the lesser of two evils....but both are highly sceptical of media and in the past few years I have tried to get them it identity propergander ... constant repetition and slurs etc..
I am so thankful for alternative media.. the only problem is there are so many issue that war against what is good and decent... “progressive” simply means immoral...
But I watch even my conservative father carried along by endless propaganda media lies that he’s not aware of...
We can switch it off, we can not buy it..
we can produce alternate media ...
We still have choice so far..
Yes, the MP was Moira Deeming and her position was very reasonable. I was stunned that the Conservatives in Victoria are (almost) as captured as the Left Wing. I suspect the techno-totalitarians have found a lot of dirt in the personal data.
The TV watchers see the world very differently to me - diametric - amazing.
My children are adults now but still young and I tell them that this is their battle of their future.
I agree with you. You made me think of labels with that post also. So many labels these days. Some we are being forced to accept as they are made up. I went on a website that is state run. It made me choose a preferred pronoun. I immediately contacted my congressman and let them know. I don't want to play that game. Most social sites give you the option, but a State site making it mandatory. I told them how rights are being stripped from me by this. I am a conservative in my beliefs. I don't view myself as right, far right or any other direction. I am left handed though. My values are still conservative with that left sided dominance of my body. We weren't confused about our gender when I was in school. The newest label that someone spent some time working on is Abrosexual. People need to find a hobby or a job instead of making up these labels.
I agree with you. A recent automated telephone survey asked, after the question about age group, "what gender do you identify as? Male, Female or Other". Over and over I told the machine that I didn't 'identify' as any gender - I 'am' a gender. It eventually hung up. A few months later I got a similar survey, asking "What gender are you? Male, Female or Other". I thought I could answer that one.
Terrible to see it happening in govt. So glad you took the action to contact them. I've seen a few things lately where I'm nearly going to be excluded from govt sites because I can't 'agree' with its many terms. Getting very totalitarian.
I'm Left Wing raised - daughter of teachers, generally collectivist in response - but Woke isn't the left wing I recognise. I would now be called 'conservative' though I don't feel I've changed at all.
I was taught to think for myself and sometimes that got me in trouble. It isn't a bad quality though. I've always been a critical thinker. I might have changed from hard life lessons, but always stayed true to myself and my values. I quit worrying about what people thought many years ago about me. Words are just words, actions make a person. On a side note, my mother did tell me that I was supposed to be a girl and she was surprised when I was born a boy. That never confused me or made me wonder or anything. God is in control of all that anyways. Why all this abuse of children now is such a terrible thing.
:) My father told me of a nightmare he had, where the family was boarding a train about to depart, and I refused to get on it. With the train being a symbol of large groups of people/society all on the same undeviating track, it was a fairly accurate/prophetic dream. We'll see how that works out in the end.
That gave me visions of The Wall by Pink Floyd.
Made me think of this video from the movie precisely. Speaks to what is happening today in a way.
https://youtu.be/qs35t2xFqdU
Every apparently solid brick wall has a hole.
We gotta get Medieval - someone recently said to me "One death is a tragedy - a Million is just a statistic." Lit my fire because of how true it was. .. God bless you.