Thanks Russ. I very much understand that process, but yes and no on that take. The time-proximal vaccine deaths were mostly in the frail elderly and once the very large working age population came into the vaccination mix there was no association, except at a few later peaks (such as the general booster uptake coinciding with the omicron peak). I don't yet have a time series of vaccines administered by age group, though slowly making my way there. Unless I can get a time series, say of aged care vaccinations, there has to be a lot of deductions (logic).
I'm about to do another post on Aged Care deaths (see the last 3 if you have an interest) and I'm about to do one that can bring more light onto the vaccine deaths.
“The actuaries waved their hands at things like ambulance delays and deferred treatment to explain away non-covid excess mortality, but quantified nothing. I’ll investigate this more, but the ambulance ramping/delays around Australia (that I recall) were during the rollout, before covid, and I suggest that any deaths as a consequence should also be attributed to the vaccines. Regarding delayed treatment, I’ve looked at the hospital separations and I haven’t seen evidence of that.“
Spot on. 🎯
I’ve also heard this hand wavy explanation given numerous times by many so called professionals not just the actuaries with no supporting evidence. I’ve also looked at it and can’t find any evidence that it is true. Maybe, I missed something (quite possible) but like you I can’t see any evidence in the data that I’ve seen that supports the conventional explanation.
I wasn't in the mood yesterday to go through all the faux explanations, but it needs it. Many months ago I downloaded a lot of ambulance data/emergency calls but didn't see very much actually.
On the hospitals, I only saw a decrease in separations for benign tumours for 2020, but they caught up with that the next year. I don't get the idea that anything important was allowed to slide. Judging by the deaths the hospitals would've been fairly empty in 2020 (so very available for essential service), and even deaths to cancer had a small decrease (usually quite relentless) - they might've got exceptional service, or perhaps the quieter, low infection life is good for cancer?
The only medical cohort that seemed to suffer through 2020, or at least, not helped by it, was the diabetics. I have this idea (perhaps) of people locked down at home, overeating, not being forced by life into activity, going out for the walks. <- My handwaving explanation - I have no data.
If you are interested I’ve been cross tabulating the DAEN database with other available information (FOI) and an internal process of elimination and can probably work out the age and sex of a lot of those deaths if it’s of use to you. I never finished it because it was a long tedious process and it got boring after a while and I wasn’t going to use it anyway.
Basically, I’ve sorted the DAEN data into confirmed deaths, probable deaths, cannot be deaths and unknown (not finished).
Thanks. I had hoped that you would get it, at least. Graphs don't mean as much to a lot of people.
On the age and sex, I know it - I whited it out because it seemed too personal to put it up there. But I'm always interested in more data! I'm not disinterested in it - in fact I think it would be valuable. The DAEN reports may represent a reflection of the bigger picture, on the causes.
I'll try to put more coherently next time. I just wanted to get it out - show the journey. I'll wait for it to settle in the brain and hopefully something more organised will pop out.
Great work Madeleine, interesting breakdown of 2021! One potential valuable addition is to overlay the vax rates over time, e.g. see page 19 of the report from Denis Rancourt and colleagues: https://correlation-canada.org/covid-19-vaccine-associated-mortality-in-the-southern-hemisphere/
Thanks Russ. I very much understand that process, but yes and no on that take. The time-proximal vaccine deaths were mostly in the frail elderly and once the very large working age population came into the vaccination mix there was no association, except at a few later peaks (such as the general booster uptake coinciding with the omicron peak). I don't yet have a time series of vaccines administered by age group, though slowly making my way there. Unless I can get a time series, say of aged care vaccinations, there has to be a lot of deductions (logic).
I'm about to do another post on Aged Care deaths (see the last 3 if you have an interest) and I'm about to do one that can bring more light onto the vaccine deaths.
“The actuaries waved their hands at things like ambulance delays and deferred treatment to explain away non-covid excess mortality, but quantified nothing. I’ll investigate this more, but the ambulance ramping/delays around Australia (that I recall) were during the rollout, before covid, and I suggest that any deaths as a consequence should also be attributed to the vaccines. Regarding delayed treatment, I’ve looked at the hospital separations and I haven’t seen evidence of that.“
Spot on. 🎯
I’ve also heard this hand wavy explanation given numerous times by many so called professionals not just the actuaries with no supporting evidence. I’ve also looked at it and can’t find any evidence that it is true. Maybe, I missed something (quite possible) but like you I can’t see any evidence in the data that I’ve seen that supports the conventional explanation.
I wasn't in the mood yesterday to go through all the faux explanations, but it needs it. Many months ago I downloaded a lot of ambulance data/emergency calls but didn't see very much actually.
On the hospitals, I only saw a decrease in separations for benign tumours for 2020, but they caught up with that the next year. I don't get the idea that anything important was allowed to slide. Judging by the deaths the hospitals would've been fairly empty in 2020 (so very available for essential service), and even deaths to cancer had a small decrease (usually quite relentless) - they might've got exceptional service, or perhaps the quieter, low infection life is good for cancer?
The only medical cohort that seemed to suffer through 2020, or at least, not helped by it, was the diabetics. I have this idea (perhaps) of people locked down at home, overeating, not being forced by life into activity, going out for the walks. <- My handwaving explanation - I have no data.
Nicely done and well explained.
If you are interested I’ve been cross tabulating the DAEN database with other available information (FOI) and an internal process of elimination and can probably work out the age and sex of a lot of those deaths if it’s of use to you. I never finished it because it was a long tedious process and it got boring after a while and I wasn’t going to use it anyway.
Basically, I’ve sorted the DAEN data into confirmed deaths, probable deaths, cannot be deaths and unknown (not finished).
Thanks. I had hoped that you would get it, at least. Graphs don't mean as much to a lot of people.
On the age and sex, I know it - I whited it out because it seemed too personal to put it up there. But I'm always interested in more data! I'm not disinterested in it - in fact I think it would be valuable. The DAEN reports may represent a reflection of the bigger picture, on the causes.
I'll try to put more coherently next time. I just wanted to get it out - show the journey. I'll wait for it to settle in the brain and hopefully something more organised will pop out.